Waco: The Rules of Engagement
Frequently Asked Questions In response to a renewed
surge of e-mail questions about both the Branch Davidians and the HBO
broadcast of "Waco: The Rules of Engagement", we are posting this list
of answers to Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) so that you may know
the facts instead of the rumors, half truths and outright falsehoods
which are too often being circulated about both the film and the subject.
Answers to some questions which are not listed individually are contained
within the pre-publication Skeptics Magazine article in the PRESS section.
Because people tend to see the events at Waco through the prism
of their politics and fundamental belief systems, many of the questions
we receive reflect, not an intellectually honest interest in learning
what really happened, but an effort to deny what really happened by
demonizing the messenger. Most of these latter questions rely upon
the argumentative appeal to authority falsity that because an authority
figure–government officials or agents of the FBI, ATF, etc–claim or
testify that something is true, it must be. The question one must
ask in regards to the Waco incident is if the trial testimony of those
on the government side was so compelling and believable, why didn't
the jury believe it?
Q: We have heard that CBS 60 Minutes did its own infra red test
for gunfire and that it showed that the government forces at Waco
machine gunned the Branch Davidians. Is that true?
A: Yes it is. Here is the transcript of that program.
CBS SIXTY MINUTES II WITH DAN RATHER
January 25, 2001
Producer: Christopher Martin
DAN RATHER (voice over video)
What really happened at Waco? Did federal agents fire shots into
the
Branch Davidian compound? For years, the government has said "no."
But
this surveillance video may tell a different story. The FBI has
repeatedly said no FBI person, at any time, fired into the compound.
BYRON SAGE (retired FBI agent)
Correct. No FBI person fired, period during the entire 51 days.
PAUL BEAVER (Jane's Defence weapons expert):
It's not a glitch in the camera. It's not the sun striking something.
It's not swamp gas reflecting off the planet Venus. This is somebody
shooting.
DAN RATHER (on camera)
What really happened at Waco? Is the US government responsible for
the
deaths of more than 70 men, women and children at the Branch Davidian
compound in 1993? For years, this has been the rallying point for
anti
government conspiracy theorists. Today, it is the subject of two
congressional investigations, an independent counsel and a multi
million
dollar civil lawsuit against the government. Why has this never
gone
away? In large part because details of the disaster have only recently
come to light giving some ammunition to those who think the government
caused those deaths.
RATHER, cont. (At Texas Ranger Evidence Locker)
Today, virtually all of the evidence from Waco is here. More than
12
tons of it. Anything gathered by every government agency involved.
The
federal judge handling the civil trial ordered it collected and
stockpiled here to protect it from being tampered with or tainted.
RATHER, cont.:
In these rooms under lock and under guard, are approximately a million
documents plus files, photographs, physical evidence including various
weapons. In here may be the answers to the key questions of what
really
happened at the Branch Davidian compound outside Waco.
MICHAEL CADDELL (Davidian attorney):
What's interesting is that in the last three months we've learned
more
about what happened than we did in the preceding six and a half
years.
RATHER cont.
Michael Caddell is a Houston attorney representing survivors and
family
members of the Branch Davidians in their suit against the government.
With what are we dealing?
CADDELL
Many, many women and children died tragically and the government
has
never been able to deal with that reality..never been able to accept
responsibility. for its share of the blame for that event.
RATHER
It all started nearly seven years ago with a raid by more than 70
agents
from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in February, 1993.
David Koresh and his followers, the Branch Davidians, were known
to have
a cache of high powered weapons. The ATF suspected the group had
explosives--and the parts to manufacture machine guns illegally.
When
they arrived to search the compound, shooting started almost
immediately. When it finally stopped, four ATF agents and six Branch
Davidians were dead. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) moved
in
and a lengthy stand-off ensued.
JEFF JAMAR (FBI Agent in Charge at Waco)
We're prepared to do whatever it takes, to stay here as long as
it
takes, to settle this matter without any further bloodshed.
RATHER
For more than seven frustrating weeks, the FBI tried to persuade
the
Davidians to come out. BYRON SAGE was head of the FBI negotiating
team
in Waco.
SAGE
The FBI's job was to try to resolve this matter and to convince
these
people to come out and face multiple first degree murder charges
in a
state that leads the nation in capital punishment. It was virtually
an
insurmountable task.
RATHER
The stand-off ended on the morning of April 19th. Using a tank and
other
armored vehicles, the FBI moved in. They spent the next several
hours
shooting tear gas into the compound. Shortly after noon, the building
was engulfed in flames.
SAGE
I called in immediately over the loud speaker system. And I said,
David,
don't do this to those people. This is not the way to end this.
RATHER
At the end of the day, more than seventy men, women and children
were
dead.
SAGE
We played right into the hands of David Koresh. He had an apocalyptic
end in mind apparently and he used us to fulfill his own prophesy.
RATHER
But the question that will not go away is this: Did the FBI and
the
Justice Department contribute in some way to that apocalyptic end?
Either by pushing the Davidians to the brink as the assault of the
compound progressed? Or, by doing something that could have caused
the
fire? In amongst the massive trove of Waco material, an independent
filmaker named Michael McNulty came upon some evidence that appeared
damaging to the government---a shell casing from a certain kind
of tear
gas round that could start a fire. A device the FBI and the Justice
Department had repeatedly denied using both publicly and to Congress.
BILL JOHNSTON
Congress was misled on this. There's no question about it.
RATHER
Assistant US Attorney Bill Johnston is the top Justice Department
official in Waco. The discovery of this tear gas round made him
worry
that someone in the Justice Department was hiding the truth.
JOHNSTON
I wasn't going to be a party to misleading the American public about
this issue when I full well knew the import of it.
RATHER
Any big organization whether it's a big company, a big union, a
big news
outfit gets into a lawsuit, the word goes out: Keep your mouth shut
about things that might hurt us. Is there any reason not to say
that's
what happened in this case?
JOHNSTON
It may have. If it did, the Department of Justice isn't IBM or anybody
else. The Department of Justice, by its very name, is different.
It has
a higher responsibility. We cannot hide the ball in criminal or
civil
cases feel good about it. It's not what the Justice Department is
supposed to be about.
RATHER
Johnston wrote to his superiors for several weeks warning them that
the
new evidence contradicted what they had been saying. But the Justice
Department did not change its story until last August when the Attorney
General was forced to make an embarrassing admission.
JANET RENO (US Attorney General)
I am very, very troubled by the information I received this week
suggesting that pyrotechnic devices may have been used in the early
morning hours of April the 19th, 1993 at Waco.
SAGE
This is what's become the infamous 651 round. You can see the size
of
it. It's very small. It's about three inches long.
RATHER
Investigators had concluded that two of these devices were used.
Though
most experts overwhelmingly still believe that the Davidians started
the
fire, the damage had been done. The FBI was caught in a lie.
RATHER cont.
What am I dealing with here as a reporter pertaining to the FBI?
Is it a
case of cover up or a case of screw up?
SAGE
It's not a case of cover up. And I would have to say that it is
a case
of screw up. It was not flagged for its importance, therefore it
has
taken on a life of its own.
RATHER
Most significantly, it breathes new life into the conspiracy theories
that surround the Waco case. Retired agent Byron Sage blames the
FBI for
not addressing accusations more seriously.
SAGE
I told the Bureau awhile back that in Texas, if your eyes start
stingin'
and your nose hurts and you reach up and you've got blood on your
face,
you're in a fight. And you damn well better realize that you are
in a
fight. The Bureau, the credibility, the public perception of the
Bureau's integrity is in danger here,
RATHER
And the government's integrity has been damaged by other discoveries.
Within the past six months, they were forced to acknowledge that
military Special Forces, believed to be the super secret Delta Force,
were present outside Waco. And, a surveillance tape with suspicious
gaps
was discovered at FBI headquarters. But the most serious question
that
remains today is this: Did government agents fire shots into that
compound on the final day?
RATHER cont.
What are the main contentions of your suit?
CADDELL
One, that the government was responsible for gunfire on April 19th
that
in fact either killed Davidians or pinned them down so that they
could
not escape the fire.
RATHER
So you're convinced the government fired?
CADDELL
I don't think there's any question.
RATHER
Although the Attorney General, the head of the FBI and the FBI as
a
whole has consistently maintained it did not fire a single shot.
CADDELL
That's correct.
RATHER
This, he says, is proof. Video shot by a camera aboard an FBI aircraft.
A heat detecting eye in the sky known as FLIR or Forward Looking
Infra
Red. Attorney Caddell is convinced it tells the story.
CADDELL
What we see on numerous occasions is an ongoing gun battle between
government forces and the Davidians.
RATHER
Caddell says that these flashes of heat recorded by the sensitive
camera
are evidence of someone shooting into the compound in response to
Davidian gunfire. They begin late in the morning and continue until
a
little after noon.
CADDELL
You continue to see gunfire at various times from behind that tank
directed primarily at the Davidian gun positions here and in the
tower
and also into this dining room area on the back.
RATHER
But the government calls Caddell's theory impossible. Sage says
this
aerial photograph was taken within seconds of the flash and says
it
shows no one on the ground to be doing the shooting.
RATHER cont.
And your point is that there's nobody in there?
SAGE
That's correct.
RATHER
He says this still frame enlargement of the infra red tape makes
the
same point. But what else could those flashes be?
SAGE
I am not a FLIR expert. My layman's view is that it's probably water
or
moisture reflecting sunlight. But I am confident that I can tell
you
what they're not. They're not gunfire.
RATHER
And to that you say what?
CADDELL
To that I say what we would say in Texas. When you hear hoofbeats,
think
horses not Zebras. When I see flashes on an infra red like that,
and I
see that sort of abrupt, precise signature, I think gunfire.
RATHER
And so does Paul Beaver. He has used infra red imagery extensively
in
the British Army. He's also a writer on military and law enforcement
tactics and technology. We hired him to demonstrate what gunfire
looks
like on a thermal imaging camera.
PAUL BEAVER
No watch the end here. That plume there you see shooting out is
what you
can't see with the naked eye. That's actually the report and it's
almost
identical to the report that we saw down here (on the FBI's Waco
FLIR).
RATHER
We asked him to compare this to what is on the Waco tapes.
BEAVER
This is flashes there which to me look exactly as if they're gunfire.
They have all the right characteristics. There we go, there we go.
Two
rounds. It's what's called a double tap. It's what you expect a
trained
marksman to do. To fire two rounds in close proximity of each other.
One, two, yeah. It's not a glitch in the camera. It's not the sun
striking something. It's not swamp gas reflecting off the planet
Venus.
This is somebody shooting.
RATHER
But the FBI denies this emphatically. Despite the fact that FBI
agents
came under Davidian machine gun fire, The FBI maintains that no
agent
fired back. That no one fire a weapon into the compound at all.
RATHER cont.
The FBI has repeatedly said no FBI person, at any time, fired into
the
vcompound.
SAGE
Correct. No FBI person fired period during the entire 51 days. Now
that's an extra ordinary statement. The fact that these agents did
not
return fire is an extra ordinary statement to the professionalism
and
the discipline that is pervasive throughout the hostage rescue team
and
throughout the FBI for that matter.
RATHER
And you've talked to some of these people who were back there at
this
time? And they've told you agent to agent, didn't happen.
SAGE
Did not happen. there were no shots fired back there by FBI or anyone
else.
RATHER
Today on the very spot where David Koresh and his followers died,
volunteers are putting the finishing touches on a church intended
to be
a lasting memorial. But it's the legacy of Waco that may prove most
haunting. The Oklahoma City bombing and the events at Columbine
High
School in Colorado were both pegged to the anniversary of the tragedy
here. Whatever the current investigations conclude, the FBI's Byron
Sage
regrets what happened that day.
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